From 4/13/2004 - Simply a stunner. One of the most elegant wines I have ever had. So subtle you might miss it but when you get it . . . it is profound. Delicate nose of celery juice, minerals, white peach. Elegant yet penetrating nose. Juicy, ripe and phenomenally concentrated on the palate with balance that just awes you. Long , long, long and beautifully delineated. So elegant it is almost scary. Haunting I would say. This is wine made by a genius.
From 4/7/2005 - This is for me one of the benchmark German wines I have ever had the privilege of tasting. In my opinion it trumps the sweet version of this wine. Amazing purity with a stunning array of wet stone, pixie stick, tangerine, indian spice and deep mineral aromas. Constantly changing. Tremendous stone fruits with some nice citrus thrown in for tang. Truly stains your palate and has stunning elegance. Concentrated and light as a feather. Genius wine. I had one bottle that was better and one bottle just below the level of this one in the past year. This did not have the etheral featheriness of that previous bottle. But I have more so hopefully there will only be better bottles of this down the road.
From 11/16/2006 - This is a great wine and remains one of the top German wines I have ever had..albeit a bit closed at this stage in its life. Nose of celeriac, red fruits and a blast of minerals. Palate is tight, highly concentrated and pretty acidic. Tightly wound but with an amazing amount of material and purity. The length is incredible as is the mid-palate but all in all this is not fully expressive.
If I look at my notes I seem to be giving this wine more lee-way based on that first bottle's greatness. By the time 2009 rolled around my tune changed a bit. I see I reference other bottles in the past. At this point in time, got some friends into this wine and had added 3 bottles to my stash from Winebid. I split a case with two other people from that stash on Winebid and the note below is from that stash.
From 3/10/2009 - This was dead as a doornail. Last time I had this wine, around a year ago, it was closed, or so I thought. I have had absolutely spectacular bottles of this in the past. At one time it was the greatest German dry wine I have ever had. Those days are long gone. Last night it was a shrill, medicinal, fruitless wine with too much acid. Like a skeleton of its former self. I know you are not allowed to criticize the god-like winery Donnhoff on the wine internet but people are not gonna get to the bottom of this if every time you criticize Donnhoff you get attacked by the legion of Donnhoff defenders on the wine internet. You know who you are. I bring this up because i have a lot of Donnhoff in my cellar and am officially worried about the mid to long term prospects of these wines. With the 2000 Brucke GK Spatlese and now this 01 Spat Trocken way over the hill I worry. Yes I have some nebbish Woody characteristics but this is real worry not some fake neurotic Jew stuff. I know its not the Mosel where Prum Kabinetts age 30 years but the Nahe is a great region and has a small cadre of star producers. But I am not the first person to say that Donnhoffs don't age well and I know I won't be the last. I know what a closed wine tastes like and I know what heat damage tastes, smells and looks like and it was not those things at all. I have had an ocean of German wine and know what they taste like when they are fading, faded or closed. This and the Oberhauser Brucke Spat GK were wines that were over the hill. Little or no fruit left on the Brucke while the Hermannshohle tasted like liquid baby aspirin which is a dead giveaway when a trocken wine is over the hill.
So going into Wednesday nights bottle I was in the negative camp on this wine. It had become like chasing a girl one can never get, but she hooked up with you when you were both drunk at a party six years ago. She doen't remember, but for you, it was reference point. So I was still looking for that experience I had with the first bottle six years ago. That reference point bottle of Donnhoff that set this whole thing in motion. As this was my last bottle, I looked at it as the end of an era. If this bottle was not good, I'd be done with it.
Wine is so difficult sometimes as you try to push your personal bias' out of the way, but sometimes you can't. I wanted this bottle to be great. Really. Really. Bad. That was my personal bias going into it. More expectations than bias but still bias. It started off pretty nice on the nose. Nicer than the last bottle for sure. Floral, citrusy, but there was a slight aspirin thing going on. The palate was good, but not great. I made it out to be greater than it was. Bias in play. A citrus burst with minerals but somewhat hollow. Simple, but had length, but not the type of length that is good. It had a dirty, metallic, aspirin-like finish, that gradually kept getting worse and worse and lasted a long time. There was a certain charm to the wine if you were looking through beer-goggles like I was. Ultimately this died after an hour and half. Looking back, I'm not sure if it ever was alive, and if it was it had breathing and feeding tubes.
People have told me in the past there were different stashes of this wine, so that might be why the bottles varied so much. Many people in Europe think this wine is stil young and just closed right now. I am not sure about that and I'll never be sure about anything regarding this wine. It's the one that got away, but I did have fun with it once, but it never reproduced the magic of its early days, but I sure am glad I got to experience it in those early days.
Great to see you back on the internet!
ReplyDeleteGood to be back LDM!
ReplyDeleteThis Riesling has a looooong life. Had it a few months ago and need 1h to open. One of the best dry Rieslings I have ever had.
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Martin,
ReplyDeleteMaybe the bottles all here are dead. It was THE best dry Riesling I have ever had. That sole bottle. But others, as you can read, have varied. Now that's probably '08 SF Felseneck.
Lyle,
ReplyDeleteno doubt, 08 SF "Felseneck" is a masterpiece! Was ranked 2nd place at my "Berlin Riesling Cup" last october. A blind tasting of 35 of the the best Grosse Gewächse from the vintage 2008.
Martin "BerlinKitchen"
Have only had the '01 Hermannshohle trocken once (last year), and I really enjoyed it then. Shame to hear about your recent experiences; hope you come across a bottle that breaks the bad streak in the future.
ReplyDelete(BTW, re. the 2000 Brucke GKS being over the hill - not shocked. The few other 2000s I've had from other producers never seemed like being long-lived - Mathern's Hermannshohle Spat was on the downslope a couple of years back, and the 2000 Schaefer Domprobst Auction Spat had turned into an awkward, chemical mess last fall.)
About 08 Felseneck GG, I'm glad I own a bottle of that and am looking forward to opening it some time this summer.
2000 is a vintage I wished I had never bought. Regardless of producer my hit rate has been about 33% for 2000 German Rieslings & worse in Austria.
ReplyDeleteI don't have the 2001 HH Trocken or I would open one to check. I will peek in on the 2001 Felsenberg Trocken though some time soon.
lyle,
ReplyDeleteits been a looooong time dude! we should get together again soon for another extravaganza at GSich!
re this wine, the bottle that salil mentiones in his reply was brought by me, and it was from that winebid stash that your dead bottle came from. i dunno dude, but our bottle was far from dead. its was quite nice actually. ive got more of them, so it sounds like we should get some folks together and open another one and see how it shows.
Best, Dan Tisch
I'd like to see some conclusion to this debate. I've never felt great about any Donhoff's wines in regards to their ageability.
ReplyDeleteI think they lose their seductiveness and balance. Is wrong to think that maybe they are more impressive than great?
Salil and I have shared a number of "great" older Donnhoff wines. As with any producer we have also had a few duds. More often than not the duds were from the secondary market (versus gray) or other questionable provenance. Heck, even a couple with good (but not great) provenance have been stunning.
ReplyDeleteThis gets me back to a nagging quesiton about ageability - how important is it? If a wine is delicious does it really matter if it's delicious 20 years from now? I find that Donnhoff wines age beautifully, but others disagree. What we never seem to disagree on is how gorgeous they are young. So drink them and revel in the beauty rather than looking for some false grail of the perfect time to drink them. Maybe the perfect time is now.
Iuli,
ReplyDeleteImpressive and not great is interesting but I have had some GREAT bottles of Donnhoff. The 2004 Norheimer Dellchen GK Spatlese last year was surreal. I think impressive but great applies to Robert Weil.
Dan,
Let's do it. Grand Sichuan soon. Lots to chat about.
Salil,
Drink 2000. Get a time machine if you can.
David,
There is a great misconception about ageability that never gets discussed. All aging does is CHANGE the wine and nothing more. That is a fact that cannot be disputed. Sometimes it changes for the worse, sometimes for the better, and other times there is no discernable change. Many people who drink and have old wine push this myth upon others. I think it is wrong. Wine can taste good young and can taste good old. But people who say old wines are better are wrong. It's all good and depends on the taster's preference. I don't hold it against Donnhoff that his wines don't age as long as Prum. Nahe is hotter, the wines are riper, and it is what it is. All my best Donnhoff experiences seem to be young wines, and there is nothing wrong with that. I did have two great '98 NHS and a great '98 Schlossbockelheimer Kupfergrube Spatlese that was very good. I am still learning about my cellar, tastes and preferences. It's never ending. I am also learning about which producers to keep and which to not. I'll drink young Donnhoff for the rest of my life. no doubt. I will maybe even visit again in August. But you are on the mark that when they are great, regardless of age, they are great.
lyle, soungs good. im heading out on a trip to San Fran late next week, but in 1H june ill reach out and make a plan. its been toooo long!
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